[wala]

I'm gonna have to rethink my workouts... I've just injured my lower back in the same place as the last 4 or 5 times, not happy at all.

Worst thing is that I got a new PR for deadlifts.

If you wanna know the story, check my journal.. wala is NOT happy

[digitor]

Wala!!!!

I guess you should completely stop working your back with weights and focus on rehab and light stretching/rotational work when it starts to get better, and maybe seek advice from ANOTHER specialist, not the woman that told you deadlifts are bad!

[sdb]

an orthopedic doc can be your best friend when you're serioulsy weight training.

[wala]

Originally Posted by digitor

Wala!!!!

I guess you should completely stop working your back with weights and focus on rehab and light stretching/rotational work when it starts to get better, and maybe seek advice from ANOTHER specialist, not the woman that told you deadlifts are bad!

Could be right dude

Originally Posted by sdb

an orthopedic doc can be your best friend when you're serioulsy weight training.

Yeh, I need someone who actually understands what working out is about and how best to get around this.. I was doign ok too, the last problem I had was the same thing just as i joined this site nearly a year ago, so maybe it aint as bad as i think, but still, thats the only thing that i have problems with..

[sdb]

an othopedic doc will understand more than a regular physician will. Their specialty is sports injuries. if you've got a common cold, go to the doc. If you've got a different problem, that's what specialists are for.

plus, with your back, you might need a little stronger over the counter anti-inflamatory to help with pain and swelling. of all muscles, your back is nothing to second guess. I'd rather have a doc tell me there's nothing wrong than have a major undiagnosed problem progress.

[Big Guns]

Tred lightly my friend. These are the kinds of injuries that stay. Buldging discs are not good. I have an L4 L5 problem, not good. Let it heal completely. Take your time. 4 or 5 times is in the red zone. You may need to have someone evaluate your form on DL's. I see that you lean back at the top....not good. Puts severe stress on the low back. You will heal, just let it.

[wala]

Thanks for the advices guys.

So BigGuns, I shouldn't lean back at the top of the movement? I've always be told to do that, plus it seems everyone does it, so I've never thought about whether it was due to deadlifts.

To be honest, last time it happened, i hadn't been including deads in my workouts - it happened and then when i got back in the gym, i decided i'd do deads do strengthen my lower back and since then, (until now) this has been my most time without injury and obviouly my lifts have gone up alot. 6 months agom the physiotherapist told me NOT to do deadlifts and didn't even really know what a deadlift was! I couldn't believe what i was hearing, thats why i'd near use a government NHS dude ever again.

[Big Guns]

You never want to break the straight up position. It's like doing hyperextensions, you never want to break the straight plane of the back. There is a fine line between straight, leaning back, and hyperextended. Judging by your technique, you may have crossed it a bit, I'm not sure. Your legs should straighten at the same time that you are at the top of the lift. Now I don't know if this is the reason of you pain. I hurt mine first doing 14 plate rack pulls years ago. I just twisted a small bit and boom. Then I hurt it on leg press buy letting my hips come off the seat. Just use your smarts, as you always do. Try doing rack pulls. It will help build the lower back w/o adding the stress of a "Squat". Set the bar at just above the knee cap, and use perfect deadlift motion. It will add thickness w/o the strain. Again use caution. I have been serching YouTube for a good deadlift technique. I think your's is pretty close, just hard to tell.

[digitor]

Great posts Big Guns. Never hyperextend the spine on deadlifts, you put the weight through the lumbar ligaments instead of transferring it down through the spine and hips. That can cause slipped discs. There's no added benefit to the erector spinae/etc by leaning back.

[wala]

Thanks BigGuns and Digi.

I'll make sure I dont lean back at the top of the dead movement from now on (or when i start doing them again!)

But do remember BigGuns, that the deadlift was a PR for me and upto and after that pointm my back was fine and felt good and ok.. it was just at the very end of virtually the last rep on leg press i felt something 'ping' slightly and i felt the pain and so stopped..

So my deadlift form (although not perfect) is pretty close and OK I think.

I think hack squats would be best for my heavy leg workouts - not really any lower back involvement - but i dont have access to one!.. maybe i should look at swapping gyms..

i'll try the rack pulls tho

[Big Guns]

I wasn't taking anything away from your PR. Sorry if it sounded like that. I had to take 4 advil after watching your vid. That lift would have killed me!! As I meant, your lift looked good to me. Remind me to knock you in the head when we meet...why would you do leg press after deads. You are a true animal!!! When I popped my back on leg press, it felt like a big zit popped in my lower back. W/in a minute I could barely satnd up. But we're young, dumb and strong, so we do it again!!!

The spine by itself can only support 6lbs before crushing. So strong muscle structure is key.

[digitor]

Originally Posted by Big Guns

The spine by itself can only support 6lbs before crushing. So strong muscle structure is key.

Do you mean the spinal cord within the spinal column? Ouch!

[Malley]

Honeslty just think about certain movements. I have just about taken all of the risk that is greater than reward exercises out of my routine. I very rarely now dead for reps lower han 10 anymore, its just not worth it. I could help you with something if you like me to.

[wala]

cheers guys.

BGs, I did less press after deads (only one set was deads, other were SLDL) cos i just do? never thought about it

But I like leaving squats till last now as I don't have to go quite so heavy - so i can just stick to 225 and 270.. were as if i did squats first, i'd have to go to 315 or higher, and being on my own i dont wanna be left on the floor when i hit failure! lol

At least if i hit faliure at 225, i have some better controlover the weight and it wont do as much damage... although i do train smart (i think) and wouldn't compromise my saftey for the sake of getting an extra few reps out on a heavy lift..

Malley, if you have anything to help then of course mate, fire away!

I know what you mean about the heavy weight - the way i see it, hitting PRs on such high weights literally means that your at the 'boarder line' of what your body is capable of, and therefore, VERY near to injury!!

10 reps and higher mean the weight is not at that level where you can get injured (unless form is crappy) so like i said at the start, maybe i'll start doing higher reps from now on for a few months and see how my body responds