Big Guns

)OK this took me a LONG time to highlight. This is what Government healthcare is. It's NOT free. You won't have to pay a dime to see your Dr., BUT you may have to wait 12 months for an operation.. "Take 2 Asprin and call me when tour cancer hits stage 4"...It's long but you NEED to read it.


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Obama Administration’s Health Care Plan
HR 3200 currently under consideration in the House of Representatives
Reviewed, revised and adapted on July 29, 2009, by Liberty Counsel from the original authored by Peter Fleckenstein and posted on FreeRepublic.com and his blog, Common Sense from a Common Man.

• Sec. 113, Pg. 21-22 of the Health Care (HC) Bill MANDATES a government audit of the books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self-insure in order to “ensure that the law does not provide incentives for small and mid-size employers to self-insure”!

• Sec. 122, Pg. 29, Lines 4-16 - YOUR HEALTH CARE WILL BE RATIONED!•

Sec. 123, Pg. 30 - THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE deciding what treatments and benefits you get.

• Sec. 142, Pg. 42 - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You have no choice!

• Sec. 152, Pg. 50-51 - HC will be provided to ALL NON-US citizens.•

Sec. 163, Pg. 58-59 beginning at line 5 - Government will have real-time access to individual’s finances & a National ID health care card will be issued!

• Sec. 163, Pg. 59, Lines 2 1-24 - Government will have direct access to your bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.•
Sec. 164, Pg. 65 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community organizations (ACORN).

• Sec. 201, Pg. 72, Lines 8-14 - Government is creating an HC Exchange to bring private plans under government control.

• Sec. 203, Pg. 84 - Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private Health Care plans in the exchange.

• Sec. 203, Pg. 85, Line 7 - Specifications of benefit levels for plans means that the government will define your HC plan and has the ability to ration your health care!

• Sec. 205, Pg. 95, Lines 8-18 - The government will use groups (i.e., ACORN & AmeriCorps) to “inform and educate” (sign up) individuals for government plan.

• Sec. 205, Pg. 102, Lines 12-18 - Medicaid-eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No freedom to choose.

• Sec. 223, Pg. 124, Lines 24-25 - No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “administrative of judicial review” against a government monopoly.•

Sec. 225, Pg. 127, Lines 1-16 - Doctors – the government will tell YOU what you can make. “The Secretary shall provide for the annual participation of physicians under the public health insurance option, for which payment may be made for services furnished during the year.”

• Sec. 312, Pg. 145, Lines 15-17 - Employers MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan.

• Sec. 313, Pg. 149, Lines 16-23 - ANY employer with payroll $400,000 and above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

• Sec. 313, Pg. 150, Lines 9-13 - Businesses with payroll between $251,000 and $400,000 who do not provide public option pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.

• Sec. 401.59B, Pg. 167, Lines 18-23 - ANY individual who does not have acceptable care, according to government, will be taxed 2.5% of income.•

Sec. 59B, Pg. 170, Line 1 - Any NONRESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay for their health care.)•

Sec. 431, Pg. 195, Lines 1-3 - Officers and employees of HC Administration (government) will have access to ALL Americans’ financial and personal records.

• Sec. 441, Pg. 203, Lines 14-15 - “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it says that.

• Sec. 1121, Pg. 239, Lines 14-24 - The government will limit and reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income and poor are the ones affected.

• Sec. 1121, Pg. 241, Lines 6-8 - Doctors, it does not matter what specialty you have; you’ll all be paid the same. “Service categories established under this paragraph shall apply without regard to the specialty of the physician furnishing the service.”•

Sec. 1122, Pg. 253, Lines 10-23 - The government “validates work relative value units” (sets value of doctor’s time), professional judgment, methods etc. (defining the value of humans).

• Sec. 1131, Pg. 265 - Government mandates and controls productivity for private HC industries. “Incorporating Productivity Improvements into Market Basket Updates that Do Not Already Incorporate Such Improvements.”

• Sec. 1141, Pg. 268 - The government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.

• Sec. 1145, Pg. 272 - Treatment of certain cancer hospitals: Cancer patients and their treatment are open to rationing!•

Sec. 1151, Pg. 280 - The government will penalize hospitals for what government deems preventable readmissions (incentives for hospital to not treat and release).

• Sec. 1151, Pg. 298, Lines 9-11 - Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission and the government will penalize you for that action.

• Sec. 1156, Pg. 317, Lines 13-20 - “PROHIBITION on physician ownership or Investment.” Government tells doctors what/how much they can own.

• Sec. 1156, Pg. 317-318, Lines 21-25, 1-3 - “PROHIBITION on Expansion of Facility Capacity.” The government will mandate that hospitals cannot expand (“number of operating rooms or beds”).

• Sec. 1156, Pg. 321, Lines 2-13 - Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required.

• Sec. 1162, Pg. 335-339, Lines 16-25 - The government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures. Rationing.

• Sec. 1162, Pg. 341, Lines 3-9 - The government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans (Part B), HMOs, etc. This will force people into a government plan.

“The Secretary may determine not to identify a Medicare Advantage plan if the Secretary has identified deficiencies in the plan’s compliance with rules for such plans under this part.”

• Sec. 1177, Pg. 354 - Government will RESTRICT enrollment of special needs people! “Extension of Authority of Special Needs Plans to Restrict Enrollment.”•

Sec. 1191, Pg. 379 - Government creates more bureaucracy – “Telehealth Advisory
Committee.” HC by phone or the Internet – dial 1 for your health care advice?

• Sec. 1233, Pg. 425, Lines 4-12 - Government mandates Advance (Death) Care Planning consultation. Think Senior Citizens and end of life. END-OF-LIFE COUNSELING. SOME IN THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED RATIONING HEALTH CARE FOR THE ELDERLY.

• Sec. 1233, Pg. 425, Lines 17-19 - Government WILL instruct and consult regarding living wills and durable powers of attorney. Mandatory end-of-life planning!

• Sec. 1233, Pg. 425-426, Lines 22-25, 1-3 - Government provides approved list of end-of¬life resources, guiding you in death.

• Sec. 1233, Pg. 427, Lines 15-24 - Government mandates program for orders for life- sustaining treatment (i.e. end of life). The government has a say in how your life ends.

• Sec. 1233, Pg. 429, Lines 1-9 - An “advanced care planning consult” will be used as patient’s health deteriorates.

• Sec. 1233, Pg. 429, Lines 10-12 - “Advanced Care Consultation” may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans - from the government.

• Sec. 1233, Pg. 429, Lines 13-25 - The government will specify which Doctors (professional authority under state law includes Nurse Practitioners or Physician’s Assistants) can write an end-of-life order.

• Sec. 1233, Pg. 430, Lines 11-15 - The government will decide what level of treatment
you will have at end of life, according to preset methods (not individually decided).•

Sec. 1302, Pg. 468, Lines 16-2 1 - “Community-Based Home Medical Services means a nonprofit community-based or state-based organization.”

• Sec. 1302, Pg. 472, Lines 14-17 - PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATION: One monthly payment to a community-based organization. Like ACORN?

• Sec. 1308, Pg. 489 - The government will cover Marriage and Family therapy. This will involve government control of your marriage.

• Sec. 1308, Pg. 494-498 - The government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating and rationing those services.

• Sec. 1401, Pg. 502 - Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research Established. Big Brother is watching how your treatment works.

• Sec. 1401, Pg. 503, Lines 13-19 - The government will build registries and data networks from YOUR electronic medical records. “The Center may secure directly from any department or agency of the United States information necessary to enable it to carry out this section.”

• Sec. 1401, Pg. 503, Lines 2 1-25 - The government may secure data directly from any department or agency of the US, including your data.

• Sec. 1401, Pg. 503, Lines 2 1-25 - The “Center” will collect data both “published and unpublished” (that means public & your private information).•

Sec. 1401, Pg. 506, Lines 19-2 1 - An “Appointed Clinical Perspective Advisory Panel” will advise The Center and recommend policies that would allow for public access of data.

• Sec. 1401, Pg. 518, Lines 21-25 - The Commission will have input from HC consumer representatives.

• Sec. 1411, Pg. 524, Lines 18-22 - Establishes the “Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund.” More taxes for ALL.

• Sec. 1441, Pg. 621, Lines 20-25 - The government will define “NEW Quality” measures in HC. Since when does government know about quality?

• Sec. 1442, Pg. 622, Lines 2-9 - To pay for the Quality Standards, government will transfer money from “qualified entities” (government Trust Funds) to other government Trust Funds. More Taxes.


• Sec. 1442, Pg. 624, Lines 19-23 - Qualified Entities: “The Secretary shall ensure that the entity is a public, nonprofit or academic institution with technical expertise in the area of health quality measurement.”

• Sec. 1442, Pg. 623, Lines 5-10 - “Quality” measures shall be designed to assess outcomes and functional status of patients.

• Sec. 1442, Pg. 623, Lines 15-17 - “Quality” measures shall be designed to profile you, including race, age, gender, place of residence, etc.•

Sec. 1443, Pg. 628 - The government will give “Multi-Stake Holders” pre-rulemaking input into selection of “quality” measures.

• Sec. 1443, Pg. 630-3 1, Lines 9-24, 1-9 - Those Multi-Stake Holder groups include unions and groups like ACORN deciding what constitutes quality.

• Sec. 1444, Pg. 632, Lines 14-25 - The government may implement any “Quality measure” of HC services that bureaucrats see fit.

• Sec. 1444, Pg. 632-333, Lines 14-25, 1-9 - The Secretary may issue nonendorsed “Quality Measures” for physician and dialysis services.

• Sec. 1251 (beginning), Pg. 634 to 652 - “Physician Payments Sunshine Provision” – government wants to shine sunlight on Doctors but not government. “Reports on financial relationships between manufacturers and distributors . . . and between physicians and other health care entities.”

• Sec. 1501 (beginning), Pg. 659-670 - Doctors in Residency – government will tell you where your residency will be, thus where you’ll live.

• Sec. 1503 (beginning), Pg. 675-685 - Government will regulate hospitals in EVERY aspect of residency programs, including teaching hospitals.

• Sec. 1601 (beginning), Pg. 685-699 - Increased funding to fight waste, fraud, and abuse. (Like the government with an $18 million website?)

• Sec. 1619, Pg. 700-703 - If your part of HC plan isn’t in the government’s HC Exchange but you qualify for federal aid, you don’t have to pay.

• Sec. 1 128G, Pg. 704-708 - If the Secretary determines there is a “significant risk of fraudulent activity,” on HC provider or supplier, the government can do a background check.

• Sec. 1632, Pg. 710, Lines 8-14 - The Secretary has broad powers to deny HC providers and suppliers admittance into HC Exchange. Your doctor could be thrown out of business.

• Sec. 1637, Pg. 718-719 - ANY Doctor who orders durable medical equipment or home medical services is REQUIRED to be enrolled in, or eligible for, Medicare.

• Sec. 1639, Pg. 721 - Government MANDATES that Doctors must have face-to-face with patient to certify patient for home health services.

• Sec. 1639, Pg. 723-24, Lines 23-25, 1-5 - The same government certifications will apply to Medicaid and CHIP (Children’s health plan: Your kids).

• Sec. 1640, Pg. 723, Lines 16-22 - The government reserves right to apply face-to-face certification for patient to ANY other HC service.

• Sec. 1651, Pg. 734, Lines 16-25 - Proposes, for law enforcement sake, that the Secretary of HHS will give Attorney General access to ALL medical data.

• Sec. 1701 (beginning), Pg. 73 9-756 - The government sets guidelines for subsidizing the uninsured (and you have to pay for them).

• Sec. 1704, Pg. 756-76 1 - The government will shift burden of payments to Disproportionate Share Hospitals (DSH) to states (your taxes).

• Sec. 1711, Pg. 764 - The government will require preventative services - including vaccinations (no choice).

• Sec. 1713, Pg. 768 - Government-determined Nurse Home Visitation Services (Hello union paybacks).

• Sec. 1713, Pg. 768, Lines 3-5 - Nurse Home Visit Services – Service #1: “Improving maternal or child health and pregnancy outcomes or increasing birth intervals between pregnancies.” Compulsory ABORTIONS?•

Sec. 1713, Pg. 768, Lines 11-14 - Nurse Home Visit Services include determinations of economic self-sufficiency, employment advancement and school-readiness.

• Sec. 1714, Pg. 769 - Federal government mandates eligibility for State Family Planning Services. Abortion and government control intertwined.

• Sec. 1733, Pg. 788-798 - Government will set and mandate drug prices, therefore controlling which drugs are brought to market. (Goodbye innovation and private research.)

• Sec. 1744, Pg. 796-799 - Establishes PAYMENTS for graduate medical education. The government will now control your doctor’s education.

• Sec.1751, Pg. 800 - The government will decide which Health Care conditions will be paid.
Say “RATION!”

• Sec. 1759, Pg. 809 - Billing Agents, clearinghouses, or other alternate payees are required to register. The government takes over private payment systems too.

• Sec. 1801, Pg. 819-823 - The Government will identify individuals “likely to be ineligible” for subsidies. Will access all personal financial information.

• Sec. 1802, Pg. 823-828 - Government sets up Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund. Another bottomless tax pit.

• Sec. 4375, Pg. 828-832, Lines 12-16 - Government will impose a fee on ALL private health insurance plans, including self-insured, to pay for Trust Fund!

• Sec. 4377, Pg. 835, Lines 11-13 - Fees imposed by government for Trust Fund shall be treated as if they were taxes.

• Sec. 440, Pg. 837-839 - The government will design and implement Home Visitation Program for families with young kids and families that are expecting children.

• Sec. 1904, Pg. 843-844 - This Home Visitation Program includes the government coming into your house and teaching/telling you how to parent!

• Sec. 2002, Pg. 858 - The government will establish a Public Health Fund at a cost of $88,800,000,000 (That’s Billions).

• Sec. 2201, Pg. 864 - The government will MANDATE the establishment of a National Health Service Corps.

o Sec. 2201 - “Fulfillment of Obligated Service Requirement”

o Sec. 2201, Pg. 864-875 - The NHS Corps is a program where Doctors perform mandatory HC for 2 years for partial loan repayment.

• Sec. 2212, Pg. 875-89 1 - The government takes over the education of Medical students and Doctors through education and loans.

• Sec. 340L, Pg. 897 - The government will establish a Public Health Workforce Corps to ensure an adequate supply of public health professionals.

• Sec. 340L, Pg. 897 - The Public Health Workforce Corps shall consist of civilian employees of the United States as Secretary deems necessary.

• Sec. 340L, Pg. 897 - The Public Health Workforce Corps shall consist of officers of Regular and Reserve Corps of Service.

• Sec. 340M, Pg. 899 - The Public Health Workforce Corps includes veterinarians. Will animals have heath care too?

• Sec. 2233, Pg. 909 - The government will develop, build and run Public Health Training Centers.

• Sec. 2241, Pg. 912-913 - Government starts a HC affirmative action program under the guise of diversity scholarships.

• Sec. 2251, Pg. 915 - Government MANDATES cultural and linguistic competency training for HC professionals.

• Sec. 3111, Pg. 931 - The government will establish a Preventative and Wellness Trust fund, with initial cost of $30,800,000,000 (Billions more).

• Sec. 3121, Pg. 934, Lines 21-22 - Government will identify specific goals and objectives for prevention and wellness activities. More control of your life.

• Sec. 3121, Pg. 935, Lines 1-2 - The government will develop “Healthy People & National Public Health Performance Standards.” They will tell us what to eat?

• Sec. 3131, Pg. 942, Lines 22-25 - “Task Force on Community Preventive Services.” More government? Under the Offices of Surgeon General, Public Health Services, Minority Health and Women’s Health.

• Sec. 3141, Pg. 949-979 - BIG GOVERNMENT core public health infrastructure includes workforce capacity, lab systems, health information systems, etc.

• Sec. 2511, Pg. 992 - Government will establish school-based “health” clinics. Your children will be indoctrinated and your grandchildren may be aborted!

• Sec. 3 99Z- 1, Pg. 993 - School-Based Health Clinics will be integrated into the school environment. More government brainwashing in school.
• Sec. 2521, Pg. 1000 - The government will establish a National Medical Device Registry. Will you be tracked?

sdb

Awesome BG!! Definitely pring worthy. Me, myself, I am on page 170+/- of the bill. I'm frightened by what I'm reading so far. I'm no where near the "end of life" care and actual benefits of the plans.

1quick1

THis is what I think about government health care

Big Guns

Thanks for taking the time to read it.

I am truly frightened my friends. Know anything about Van Jones?? Scary cat.!!!

chadstallion

time to update the OP info. This is outdated material. Still looks like talking points for Fox News, though.

Boki

wow if this goes through and becomes a problem. which it looks like it is, waiting 10 months for a operation, there are going to be riots all over america, governments suck. i want to run the world and torture politicians hahahahah <<<<<<<< evil laugh

chadstallion

dont believe everything you hear on fox news or from the radical righters

Valkyrie

I'm new, but I thought I would put my two cents in here... I live in Canada, and I can attest to the basic original post about waiting times being true, but it is improving.

If you get some form of Government Healthcare in the US you probably will not go completely public like we did in Canada after the Second World War, it will probably be more of a two tier system, where some people have private insurance for specific circumstances, while using public clinics for their "everyday" medical needs. England does it that way, and Canada is evolving in that direction as well. I like it because if you like to pay for more coverage for yourself, you can do it, but if you don't want to go private or you can't afford health insurance, you are still covered. Also, privately managing government clinics has been successful here in Winnipeg, where I live, and they are extremely organized and efficient in comparison to completely public clinics. Of course if you're used to paying money for private health insurance you live in a place where healthcare has been commodified (it's like that with dental care/oral health here, which I think is really strange), so I imagine you are used to a very high level of care in relation to the nature of competition for your business. You can get that same high level of care as a basic human right and not a commodity though, as long as the national healthcare system keeps moving in the direction that it is moving in. At the end of the day, I think you will still have choices if the US goes this way, and no one will be in control of your body or your health but you. You'll just have more options, spend less money on health insurance overall, and live in a society where everyone, including the poorest people, have access to healthcare, which will have an impact on quality of life for all Americans. Please don't eat me alive for this!

Big Guns

OH....I beleive all the other B/S media. They have been SOOOOO on top of things. Watch Glenn Beck....
I think Nobama is your BFF. who the F^^^ uses BFF besides stupid highschool hookers.

Bullet Points? that is how it looks.
England's Prostate cancer death rate is 50%!!!!
Where in the USA it is less than 2% If our health care sucks so bad....why does EVERYONE come here for the BEST!!?? OK...maybe Mexico for a botched, cheap tit job.

The Government hasn't been able to run anything...Medicare, Social Security....oh wait.....they did RUN IT INTO THE GROUND...Does that count?

Funny how all we heard about was BUSH this..BUSH that...Now we have the MESIAH!! Bush was an idot on many fronts, but Nobama is going to wreck this country and give it all to the people of color!!! Have you seen ACORN??

Big Guns

VAl...I work my ass of to make sure I can have health care. I DO NOT want to pay for ILLEGAL's health care. That is what is happening NOW w/o the governments "help" Beaners go to the emergancy rooms, can't pay, yet still get health care. I pay for that through "taxes".

Your healthcare is not free as it is paid by taxes. But if you need the BEST you come to the states. plain and simple.

You see...I'm not a board "know it all" I have friends and family in the Gov't and the health care system. So I'm not repeating what NBC/CBS/ABC are telling me.

I am glad you spoke your mind though. That's another freedom that we have here....in USA

Valkyrie

Of course you're right that healthcare isn't free... but in comparison to private rates, it essentially is... you have to know that. It's a pittance, in comparison.

In places where taxes are highest, like Norway, to take one good example - illiteracy does not exist, poverty does not exist, crime rates are all but non existent, and people live long, healthy, fulfilled lives, and in surveys reflect that they are the most mentally healthy and "happy" people in the world. Taxes are good, in my opinion, because it keeps me from living in a cesspool. The government bridges the gap between people who don't know how to take care of themselves and don't know how to raise or provide for their kids, so that they don't grow into degenerate individuals that destroy my life and those of the people around me that I care about. Illegal immigrants getting healthcare on your dollar is another thing... I guess I tend to be more empathetic. Their government is so corrupt and they are so desperate... it's not a good situation for anyone.

Thanks for the free speech rights - the States makes everyone look bad in that regard, and I hope that changes soon.

strawser9

I could explain another reason why a country in that area, like Norway, doesn't have those problems...but it would be politically incorrect.

Valkyrie

This goes back to the illegal immigrant thing, and I agree with you. Norway runs a tight ship. A lot of Scandinavian countries realize the problems that come with illegal immigration, asylym seekers, and refugees, and do not accept them as a rule. In England they will let anyone in, and as a result Somalian gangs have essentially taken over the Northeast townships. In Denmark even Danish-born citizens lose their citizenship - and thereby all of their AWESOME social benefits, like being paid to go to university - if they are away from Denmark for something like more than twenty years. I am partial to the concept of citizenship as a privilege, and not just the place where you have the right to suffer somewhere until you die.

Anyway, I will drop it. It's an interesting discussion, though. I just got back from the gym and am probably feeling overstimulated

Critical Mass

....Later guys! I'm off to Norway!