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Old 03-04-2009, 06:00 AM   Let's Discuss Supplement Results...... Post #1
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Let's Discuss Supplement Results......

Lets consider reasonable expectations from your supplements.

Over the years of being a muscle enthusiast, I have read many, many advertisements on supplements that claim some pretty bold things. What I've learned is that people want to get good results, quick. Real quick. Like, really, really quick. Like Popeye's spinach miracle quick. Like the Incredible Hulk getting real big and real mean and green exactly and only when he needs to.

Wow, what a life. What a great way to let off some steam.

For those who used to watch the series on t.v. with Bill Bixby & Lou Ferrigno, you'll understand what I'm saying. You're driving home in the foothills in the pouring rain. You get a flat tire. You change the tire in the pouring rain and during the task, you hurt yourself. So you get pissed off, you turn green,...... you get instant, phenomenal results from the supplements you've been taking, and you say screw it! You roll your car down the hill. What a life. The only down side I can see to this is that you wake up half naked the next day, wondering who jacked you for your car. And then you can say to your boss at work, "Mr. Magee, don't make me angry........ you wouldn't like me when I'm angry." That's a classic line that has been forgotten.

But anyway, back to the results that people expect from bodybuilding supplements......

I've noticed that people are rather impatient when it comes to getting results from their supplements. I would like to encourage you to maintain some patience. You are just going to get frustrated. I guess we have been conditioned to expect great things from this stuff because of the aggressive advertising you see from supplement companies. Building muscle, burning off fat, gaining strength............ all this stuff takes time.

Let's consider steroids for a second. I think that we can all agree that steroids would be the benchmark by which any supplement should be compared. We compare everything to steroids.

Some of you may be surprised to know that it generally takes about a week and a half for you to even feel the effect of Dianabol. You don't just slam back a tab of D-Bol for the first time and then go have the greatest workout of your life. No, no, no. This stuff takes time to even get into your system. And the same thing goes when you inject, say...... Testosterone Cypionate. It's a slow testosterone. It works over the long run. I remember when I got my first cycle. The stuff wasn't kicking in like I thought it would, so I took it down to a steroid guru friend. I said, "Man, I got scammed! This stuff is junk!" He showed me the dragon inscription on the back of the little Dianabol tab I had and assured me it was legit.

Oh yes......... It was legit. I just had to wait a few more days for it to get into my system.

So you may reconsider shelling out $70 on that supplement that promises pounds and pounds of muscle gain with just one bottle. It just doesn't always work that way. Not even with steroids.

Moreover, if you were to take a steroid cycle right now, you wouldn't change quite like you think you would. You may gain weight, but you likely won't get round shoulders, sticking out past your joints, tall traps leading up to your ears, arms that are squeezed by your sleeve, or a chest that would hairlip Markus Rhul. It takes months and years for that stuff to come even when you are juicing.

I say all of this because I want your attention to be on TRAINING. Supplements are just that...... they are supplemental to your nutrition program. This is why we here at EB.N sometimes counsel that you should have your diet down before getting sidetracked with a supplement. If you gain some patience and understand that your training will give you those results over the long term, you will not spend your whole grip on some supplement that promises phenomenal results.

Over the years of being on the scene, there has only been a handful of supplements on the legal market that I have found to really work.

1. Creatine. It will make you stronger. Very few non-responders to this stuff.

2. Methyl-1-Testosterone. I hate the way it made me feel, but I got stronger, and gained weight. Banned Now.

3. Nor-Androsteine 19. I didn't gain weight, but I felt great and got very strong. Banned now.

4. Nitric Oxide Stimulators. I would get swole, stronger, and put on a couple of pounds. I always respond to these N.O. stimulators.

That's pretty much it for me. Creatines, Pro Hormones, and N.O. stimulators always gave me noticeable results. Of course, the old pro hormones are banned now, and there's some new ones that are pretty good. But still you need to understand that this stuff takes time.
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Old 03-04-2009, 07:18 AM   Let's Discuss Supplement Results...... Post #2
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Re: Let's Discuss Supplement Results......

I'd like your thoughts on Yohimbe. I tried it in various forms in the 90's and I swear in one form and from one manufacturer it definitey did something. It put my libido in overdrive...my wife would hide when I came home...Not sure it helped with my strength, but I sure got a lot of hot sweaty cardio, and so did the Mrs.
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Old 03-04-2009, 09:46 AM   Let's Discuss Supplement Results...... Post #3
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Re: Let's Discuss Supplement Results......

CM you R Da MAN!!!
You always write well thought out threads. I have the same argument EVERYTIME....."I didn't Feel anything" Even w/ D-bol, Test and Deca...I didn't FEEL anything!!!! I got strong as shit, but no feelings. You will FEEL stimulants, which is what almost ALL NO products have. M-Tech is great at this. Get me tweeking while delivering a so so product.

I don't FEEL anything on EPIC's Spycho stack, but I can push a ton harder on my roadbike. Hammering up hills. In the gym I can squeeze a few extra reps all while on less than 100g of carbs/day!!!! (Try it for 5 weeks. still 4 more weeks to go.)

NO Products have gotten me more vascular, my veins are a bit larger and I am starting to get vascular in my quads!! Plus the make my peepee hard as a rock. Arginine is great.

The Supplement biz is ALL about MARKETING.. Gain 7 lbs in 7 days. I gain 4 lbs everyday. 202 in the am and 206 in the pm.....EVERYDAY! I have gained 9 lbs overnight by eating a ton of salty foods.

You said it when you stated that Supplements should be taken at their "word" value.
They SUPPLEMENT a good diet. They don't make up for a shitty one!!!
NICE WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 03-04-2009, 07:39 PM   Let's Discuss Supplement Results...... Post #4
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Re: Let's Discuss Supplement Results......

Thank you for the kind words BG.

SXI, my thoughts on Yohimbe is that it's more of an aphridesiac than a muscle builder. I once bought some personal lube for my wife and I to experiment with and it totally sucked. It had like, sand and shit in it. I was like, WTF? It was made by Hustler or some shit. I was like, "fuck Larry Flint!... and his wheelchair!"

If you are looking for male enhancement, I reccomend Sustanon 250. But if steroids aren't for you, heed the public service announcement below.

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Old 03-04-2009, 07:54 PM   Let's Discuss Supplement Results...... Post #5
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Re: Let's Discuss Supplement Results......

Some good words of advice CM, I wouldn't be getting bigger if it weren't for you guys here stressing to me how important diet is.
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Old 03-04-2009, 11:20 PM   Let's Discuss Supplement Results...... Post #6
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Re: Let's Discuss Supplement Results......

thats pretty cool stuff cm, interesting to hear especially about the ph and NO,

do you guys ever feel like creatine isnt helping your strength much any more??

and has anyone ever tried kre-alkalyn creatine?
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Old 03-05-2009, 04:54 AM   Let's Discuss Supplement Results...... Post #7
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thats pretty cool stuff cm, interesting to hear especially about the ph and NO,

do you guys ever feel like creatine isnt helping your strength much any more??

and has anyone ever tried kre-alkalyn creatine?
I was starting to feel the effects of GM wear off after about 2 months, It was a good product but didn't last forever like everything else so I switched to cell-tech, seems to be working real good but will let you know I;m still only on my second week.
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Old 03-05-2009, 05:16 AM   Let's Discuss Supplement Results...... Post #8
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do you guys ever feel like creatine isnt helping your strength much any more??
Creatine always works for me, even though I've been taking it for ten years. Maybe it's because I'll only take it maybe twice a year.
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Old 03-05-2009, 01:27 PM   Let's Discuss Supplement Results...... Post #9
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Re: Let's Discuss Supplement Results......

I like caffeine pills and some other stimulants. Whey protein I'll probably use for the rest of my life. Creatine is also a given.
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Old 03-05-2009, 01:53 PM   Let's Discuss Supplement Results...... Post #10
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Re: Let's Discuss Supplement Results......

I just started taking creatine again after a few weeks off and it's so noticeable. Fortunately I also got myself a nice big tub so i've got a while of it left.

No protein powder mentioned here? It's still a supplement to a proper diet, which I think most people here will use.

And also, I like ZMA. I know some people here don't, and at one point I did think I was having some issues with it, but it gives me such a good nights sleep and whether it's a placebo effect or not, I go into the gym the next day not just THINKING i'll lift a certain weight, but KNOWING that I will lift that weight.
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Re: Let's Discuss Supplement Results......

I'm on Cell-Tech currently, I had the extra money and decided I wanted to test it out for myself. It works pretty good but I think I'm going to go with regular monohydrate non-flavored after this because having cell-tech and then throwing down a protein shake isn't easy on the stomach!
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I'm on Cell-Tech currently, I had the extra money and decided I wanted to test it out for myself. It works pretty good but I think I'm going to go with regular monohydrate non-flavored after this because having cell-tech and then throwing down a protein shake isn't easy on the stomach!
haha yep pretty harsh on the stomack, i liked celltech hella lot, it worked so good first time using it, but all the flavors suk balls, im looking forward to trying the kre-alkalyn pills

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haha yep pretty harsh on the stomack, i liked celltech hella lot, it worked so good first time using it, but all the flavors suk balls, im looking forward to trying the kre-alkalyn pills

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you really dont like the flavors? jeez i love blue raspberry.
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haha they get gross after a while, i had orange for the first time using celltech and it didnt even taste like it lol, and grape was alrite but just started to taste discusting after a while
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