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07-03-2007, 08:05 PM
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Rep Power: 101102 | Putting together a workout routine I am making this for the guys here who train naturally. If fueled by AAS then by all means this may not do the job for you fellas. These are the things to look at whenever designing a program: 1) goals
2) training split (how many days per week? Upper/lower? total body? push/pull/leg?)
3) exercise selection
4) sets and reps (volume)
5) rest interval
6) rep tempo Whenever setting up a workout you need to use some type of template.
I like to set my templates up like this: I. Warmup-Normally some type of stretching. I will now describe the 4 types of stretching. 1. Static stretching-this is what we have all been taught about as kids. ANd growing up all through athletics. Holding a stretch for 1-3 sets for 20-30 seconds. This is normally used for post-workout stretching, unless there are muscle imbalances present.
2. Dynamic Stretching-this is a form of dynamic movement stretching. Things like Prisoner squats, Wood chops with medicine ball, 1-legged touchdowns, etc....These are normally done before a workout to get your body loose for the exercises to follow.
3. Foam Rolling (Self-myofascial stretching)-this form of stretching is used with a foam roller, or actually could use a large rolling pin. You get your body in a postition to roll your muscle over top of the foam roller. Once you find the tender spot you hold it for 20-30 seconds. This can be at times very painful. For more info on foam rolling keep posted and I will post more about it at a later time.
4. Active stretching-Its just about like dynamic stretching but a bit different. You use things like tubes, balls, etc... Active stretching has never really interested me because I like to use Dynamic stretching instead. II. Core Training
Everyone knows what core is all about however I like to pick a variety of different exercises whenever it comes to core exercises. 1. Stabilization-Planks, Bridges, Cobras, etc
2. Rotational-Wood Chops (From a low pulley, from a high pulley, from a medium pulley), Trunk Twists, Ball crunches with a twist, etc
3. Strength-Cable Crunches, Plate decline srunches, Weighted Knee ups, Hyperextensions, etc...
*Keep in mind also there are many different lifts that we do in our workouts that require a ton of stabilization to perform. Things like deadlifts, Standing Overhead presses, Squats, and many many more. III. Speed and Agility
(Always optional) 1. Things like Quick foot ladder, Cone Drills, Depth Jumps, etc.. IV. Resistance Training As we all know there are tons and tons of routines and ways to put them together. I am just going to post a few to get things started and maybe add as time goes on because there are numerous routines!
1.Upper/Lower
2. Push/Legs/Pull
3. Bodypart Splits
4. Total Push/Total Pull *I really didnt want to spend alot of time on the routine right now since I dont have alot of time, but I will try to add things as time goes on. I am limited on time right now.
The most important thing in keeping gains coming is periodzation.
Using different reps, sets, tempos, ri's, and intensities. Example: Wk1-2-3x10-12, 60 sec ri, 2/1/2 tempo
Wk3-5-3x6, 90 sec ri, Controlled Tempo
Wk6-7-3x3, 120 sec ri, Controlled Tempo
Wk8-Deload That was an example of periodzation and a proper loading pattern. V. Cardio In my opion cardio is vital for overall health. I dont think it should be skimped on just because you are trying to put on weight. It is so good for overall health and to be honest what in the hell can being big do for you if you are dead? Or you cant use it because you are out of breath?
I like to use sprints you can get so much done in very little time with sprints. But as we all know there are so many different varieties of cardio. It is also very important to monitor your heart rate. Later on I will post on how to monitor your heart rate and where you need to stay. VI. Cooldown 1.Here is where you should try to take your heart rate back to where it was and slowly. Without doing this properly you can experience headaches, dizziness, nausea, etc..
2. Static stretching should be used right here as well. Just as I explained earlier. Alright let me add to the resistance part of training: For strength training you are looking at a 2-5 minute rest in between sets. Reps should be from 1-5 reps.
For Endurance training you are looking at 30 seconds or less. Reps here should be from 12-20 reps.
And as for hypertrophy you are wanting to knock it out around 60-90 seconds. As for reps here you are looking for 6-12 reps.
As for routines I will post some examples of routines that have been followed by me and many of my fellow partners in the past. Along with my studies and my experience I feel these programs are some of the best ways to train for the natural bodybuilder. Keep in mind I am just writting out the exercises what you do with the loading and the periodzation you use is what is truely important.
So lets go with the first combination I posted which is upper lower. What I enjoy doing with upper lower is whenever I do my lower I like to split it up. I like to use a quad dominant and a ham dominant. So it could go something like this: 7 day week: Day1-Upper 1, Day2-Lower Ham Dominant, Day3-Off, Day4-Upper 2, Day5-Quad Dominant, Days 6 & 7-off Upper 1
Bench
DB Row
OH Press
Dips
Chin ups
Lower Ham Dominant
Deadlift Variant
Goodmorning
Glute Ham Raises
Hyperextensions
Upper 2
Pullups
DB Incline Press
BB Bent over Row
DB Bench Press
Side Raises
Lower Quad Dominant
Squat Variant
Lunges
Step Ups
Leg Extensions As for a push/legs pull routine. In my opinion you really need to concnetrate on intensity here since you will only be revisiting that area once each week. Push
OH Press
Bench
Incline
Dips
Legs
Squat Variant
Deadlift Variant (If you can take it)
Lunge
Goodmorning
Pull
Pullups
DB Rows
Chinups
Bent Over Rows Then of course the ever so popular body part splits. I really dont like this much for strength. An upper/lower routine is much better for strength, but for most of you who are bodybuilders this works very well as long as you can fight off the overtraining issue. This can be designed in so many ways but for this purpose I will keep each bodypart seperate and think of each as having their own day. Also as far as tempo goes, if you are looking for size really focus on the eccentric part of your lift, because studies have shown an increase of size of individuals who work on the eccentric compared just lowering the weight controlled. Chest
Bench
Incline
Butterflies
Cable Crossovers
*As you can see 2 compounds and 2 isolations. I like to do it that way if training with bodyparts.
Back
Pullups
DB Rows
Bent Over Laterals
Shrugs
Legs
Squats Variant
Deadlift Variant
Leg Extension
Leg Curl
Calve Raises
Shoulders
Shoulder Press
Side Raises
Front Raises
Arms
BB Curl
Dips
DB Preacher Curl
Rope Extension
Abs
Planks (Stabilization)
Wood Chops (Rotational)
Cable Crunches (Strength)
*However I still do core exercises 4-5 days a week. *I would also like to say I care for this routine about as much as I care for my mother in law! Total push/Total Pull
Total Push 1
2-Limbed Squat
BB Bench
OH Press
Lunge
Dips
Total Pull 1
2-limbed Deadlift
BB Row
Pullup
Goodmonring
Hyperextension
Total Push 2
1-Limbed Squat
DB Press
See Saw OH Press
Step Ups
Dips
Total Push 2
1-Legged Dealift
DB Row
Pullups
Zercher Good monrnings
1-Legged Hyperextension As you can see there are many many different ways to develop programs and what I have just wrote with exercises is not programs, but rather exercises. A program as a whole like I mentioned needs sets, reps, tempos, ri's, intensity, and frequency. Plain and simple any idiot can write a bunch of exercises, but to put something together that will continue to work for months is tougher than it seems. Some periodzation could look like this:
Undulating Periodzation Overhead Press
Week A: 8x3 @ 5-6RM - 75sec RI
Week B: 3x12 @ 15RM – 30sec RI
Week C: 4x6 @ 8RM – 60sec RI
Bench
Week 1: 8x3 @ 5-6RM - 75sec RI
Week 2: 3x12 @ 15RM – 30sec RI
Week 3: 4x6 @ 8RM – 60sec RI
Incline
Week 1: 4x10 @ 12RM – 45sec RI
Week 2: 5x5 @ 7RM – 75sec RI
Week 3: 5x8 @ 10RM – 60sec RI
DB Row
Week 1: 4x10 @ 12RM – 45sec RI
Week 2: 5x5 @ 7RM – 75sec RI
Week 3: 5x8 @ 10RM – 60sec RI *Those are just a section of what could be going on with your periodzation.
Heres the next form which is Linear periodzation most powerlifters use this for their 1rm's. Week 1: 4x12 @ 65%
Week 2: 4x10 @ 70%
Week 3: 3x8 @ 75%
Week 4: 3x5 @ 83%
Week 5: 3x3 @ 88%
Week 6: 3x2 @ 90%
Week 7: 2x2 @ 95%
Week 8: 1x1 @ 100%
Week 9: 1x1 @ 105% - Trying for a new 1rm. So there are you a few types of periodzation you could use. Really beginners really dont have to use periodzation. Theres no need for it. They need to work on the tempo and form more than anything to improve tendon strength. I forgot one of the most important training routines which is a total body routine: It could look something like this: Day1
Bench
Pullups
Military Press
Front Squats
Tricep Extensions
DB Curls
Day 2
Incline Press
Bent Over Rows
Push Press
Squats
Skulls
Glute Ham Raises
Day3
Deadlift
Good Mornings
Rack Press
DB Row
EZ Curls
DB Rear Laterals Whenever doing total body though I like to divide up the intensities and make one day focusing more on strength, another on hypertrophy, and the final one on endurance. So it could go:
Day1-3x3 @ 5rm-120 sec ri
Day2-3x8 @ 10rm-75 sec ri
Day3-3x15 @ 17-18rm-30 sec ri
Then the next week could go
Day 1-4x2 @ 3rm-180sec ri
Day 2-4x6 @ 8rm-75-90sec ri
Day 3-2x20 @ 22rm-30sec or less ri *Those are just to give some examples of periodzation I would use for that Progression: This is important to consider as well.
Meaning: You are doing BB bench press the progression is into DB Bench, then progress into 1-armed DB Bench
Seated OH Press--Seated DB Press--Standing BB OH Press--Standing DB OH Press--Standing DB See Saw OH Press--Standing 1-armed DB OH Press
Back Squat--Front Squat--Split Squat--Bulgarian Squat--Pistols
Romian Deadlift--1-legged BB Romian Deadlift--1-legged DB RDL--1-legged DB RDL off of an unstable surface
BB Row--DB Row--DB Row Unsupported--BB/DB Row off of 1-leg
DB/BB Curl--DB/BB Curl off of 1-leg
Tricep Extensions--Tricep Extensions off of 1 leg
So thats progression. Its good to use. And it really helps with functional strength. Always good to not only look the part, but be able to use it as well. Power Exercises: (Weighted) Clean Variant
Snatch Variant
Push Press
Speed Bench
Speed Deads
Speed Squats
Soccer Throw (Medicine Ball)-10% or so of bw
Chest pass (Medicine Ball)-10% or so of bw Power Exercises: (Non-Weighted) Depth Pushups
Plyo Pushups
Box Jumps (from low, med, or high box)
Box Landings (from low, med, high box)
Marching Jumps
Long Jumps
Double Jumps
Triple Jumps
Squat Jumps
Tuck Jumps
Ice Skaters Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentinel sir, write about how trainees need to gradually increase workload capacity, how to progress steadily and how to manipulate exercise selections to approach training in terms of lifts instead of old school body parts. | Sounds good.
Well I have heard many people from this board wanting to do a bodypart split and havent put enough time in fixing postural inbalances, strength issues (one arm stronger than the other), and simply not building up enough joint and tendon strength to move on to something as tough on the body as a dedicated bodypart split.
Whenever a person starts out they have an idea body in mind. So the first thing they do is pick up a bodybuilding magazine and see Ronnie Coleman in the pictorials benching 500lbs. Then they look to the fold out and see his chest blasting workout. Consisting of 22 working sets total. So they grasp ahold of that workout and run to the gym with all kinds of excitment. After 2 weeks they are burned out and tired. Not understanding why they havent yet put on a single pound. After flexing in the mirror for 5 mintues they realize they have did nothing with their body.
Realize this, your body doesnt change over night. It took you that long to get fat and out of shape so it will take a while to get your fat butt back into shape. But dont make the mistake of picking up a magazine at a local grocery store and mimicing a workout out of there. Make the most out of your time at the gym. From the beginning of a training regimine your body is imbalanced and things like joints and tendons need to be strengthened. For that reason I like to start some of my clients in the 12-15 rep range for a few months. Also realize your body hasnt did anything for years or months so you dont need a real in depth program to start, just keep it simple. Something like this:
Total Body
(Workout 1)
Squat (Do these right!)
Pullup
Pushups
Standing Shoulder Press
Planks
(Workout 2)
1-Legged Leg press
DB Row
Incline Pushups
Seated Shoulder Press
Cradles
(Workout 3)
Squat Press
Renegade Rows
T-Pushups
Side Planks
I would use this with clients for a whole month before I felt like we could get more advanced. I dont like using deads with new people. And alot of times back squats are not used with weight at all. Depending on the goals I may or may not use active rest. With that I keep their reps at around 12-15 with a 15-18rm. Sets are anywhere from 2-4.
After they complete the first month or so I have them starting to get more advanced. Now this doesnt mean I have them go into bodypart splits. I normally just adjust some exercises and maybe start to go a bit heavier. For example:
The Follwing are Supersets
Front Squat
DB Bench
Pullups
OH Press
Planks
Hypers
I have their reps anywhere from 8-12 with sets anywhere from 2-5.
I feel like at this point I have to use good periodzation. The body really begins to adapt to a few months of hard training. So at this point its about time to setup loading patterns that I have mentioned in this thread a while back. From this time on I setup their programs anywhere from 1 month to 6 months at a time. Most people just need to realize nothing adapts to outside stressors more than the human body so be careful with the training. But at first do keep it simple. |
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07-04-2007, 02:43 PM
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Putting together a workout routine Post #2 | | Admin getting yoked
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07-04-2007, 07:33 PM
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Putting together a workout routine Post #3 | | Now in NY!
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Rep Power: 3510 | Awesome man. I'm going to try out some periodization now that I'm back on a push/legs/pull routine.
BTW, I'm glad this site is back up and running!
Edit: How do you think I should go about incorporating some bodyweight work into my routine? |
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07-04-2007, 09:05 PM
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Putting together a workout routine Post #4 | | Extreme Bodybuilder
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Rep Power: 101102 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Pfabrizi1 Awesome man. I'm going to try out some periodization now that I'm back on a push/legs/pull routine.
BTW, I'm glad this site is back up and running!
Edit: How do you think I should go about incorporating some bodyweight work into my routine? | Depends....is bw dips easy or hard? Are pushups easy without weight? Are pullups easy without weight? Just somethings to think about. I normally place weight on my back with pushups, I hang weight around my dip belt for dips and pullups.
I actually start alot of my clients out with pushups before I take them to the bench. I mean whats the point in having a person do bench if they cant do a simple pushup? |
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07-04-2007, 10:08 PM
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Putting together a workout routine Post #5 | | Admin getting yoked
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Rep Power: 107397 | I'm probably going to switch to that upper/lower split here soon. I'm doing a body part split right now just to switch it up but I was on a upper/lower split and love it. |
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07-05-2007, 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 1quick1 I'm probably going to switch to that upper/lower split here soon. I'm doing a body part split right now just to switch it up but I was on a upper/lower split and love it. | Im the opposite, i've been doing a push/pull and upper/lower split for last few months.. last week I changed to a bodypart split.. feels very good! |
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07-05-2007, 08:45 AM
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Putting together a workout routine Post #7 | | Admin getting yoked
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Originally Posted by wala Im the opposite, i've been doing a push/pull and upper/lower split for last few months.. last week I changed to a bodypart split.. feels very good!  | Yea I was the same way. I did the upper/lower split for months and switched it to a body part split just for a change of pace. |
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07-05-2007, 10:33 AM
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Putting together a workout routine Post #8 | | Extreme Bodybuilder
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Rep Power: 101102 | If a person is pretty advanced and knows what they are doing I dont have a problem with bodypart splits, but there are to many guys who overload their chest and leave their shoulder region open for injury..... |
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07-06-2007, 07:18 AM
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07-06-2007, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by PWGriffin what up!!! | PW!!!
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07-06-2007, 07:52 AM
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Putting together a workout routine Post #11 | | Extreme Bodybuilder
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07-07-2007, 05:13 AM
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Putting together a workout routine Post #12 | | Gym Legend
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07-08-2007, 03:24 PM
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Putting together a workout routine Post #13 | | Extreme Bodybuilder
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Rep Power: 101102 | Thanks buddy. It was like mental regurgitation. |
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07-09-2007, 03:03 AM
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Putting together a workout routine Post #14 | | Gym Legend
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Originally Posted by Malley Thanks buddy. It was like mental regurgitation. | hahahhah.... |
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