Originally Posted by Big Guns

OK folks I need to express my self. I am NOT flamng anyone!!

There are many of us who get concerned w/ cutting.
First you must have some muscle mass before you cut. If you are 14-18 and have only been training for less than a year DO NOT waste time cutting. It will take time out of your growth period. I always watch my carb intake and my waisteline. If it feel I am getting a bit smooth, I cut my carbs and increase my protein by near equal amounts. That's why I NEVER go on a cutting diet.
Just watch your diet and make small adjustments and in 3-5 months you will be getting leaner w/o sacrificing any growth time. Cutting is a BUNCH more than adding some cardio. It's less than 100g of carbs/day ( about 1.25 bagels) w/ a 1 day carb load. Never missing a meal EVER, No cheat days....for 3 months or more. Don't fool yourself by thinking that adding some cardio will rip you up. it won't.

Just train your A$$ off and as the muscle comes that fat will leave.
Work on getting you diet perfected. The right amount of healthy fats, carbs and protein.
If you need help in this area there many of us that can help.....Just ask

Originally Posted by XiL3

Well the part about people training less than a year only apply to those damn skinny kids who want to cut after 2 months of training! I was on the fatter side at that age, so cutting would have been my best option.

The rest is definately truth.

Originally Posted by Big Guns

Again...Cut your carbs back to 30% of you cals. 50% protein, 20% good fats. This will be a "slow" cut. maybe 4-6 months. Train as heavy as you safely can. High reps will cost you muscle. Train in high volume. Check my latest journal entry on arms. That is volume.
W/O knowing you true BF% it can make it tough. If you are at 20%BF that means you have 42lbs of fat which will put you at 168 at 0%. if you get down to 10% you will be at 189 in a perfect world. Plus as you "cut" you body will not be able to build any new muscle, so at BEST you will keep all of it....Again in a perfect world. Most likely you will lose some muscle weight. When I did a show I went from 230 12%bf to 185 at 4.5% bf. I was shredded, but at 6'2" I was skinny. I lost almost 2 inches on my arms.
Just modify your diet, train hard. People that have never truelt "cut" have no idea what is in store. After a few weeks they can't handle the constant hunger of only eating 150g of carbs per day and give up, thus gain more fat. So cutting for 4 months take 4 months of growth away. My tip to all....if you want to "cut" modify your diet a bit whe the abs get soft looking or you no longer have a good separation between you lower pec and ribs.

Bulking and cutting is a complete waste of time....unless you want to bulk for 3-4 years and then slowly lean out....as my friend did. 5'8" 290 down to 248 in 8 months and lost almost all fat. He is still a monster, plus he dabbles a bit w/ chemicles.

Originally Posted by Big Guns

Correct. It depends on how fat. Most people weigh 200 lbs at 20% bf and think they will diet to 198 and 5%bf.

Originally Posted by XiL3

How long did it take you to get from 12% to 4.5%?



LMAO

Originally Posted by Big Guns

Again...Cut your carbs back to 30% of you cals. 50% protein, 20% good fats. This will be a "slow" cut. maybe 4-6 months. Train as heavy as you safely can. High reps will cost you muscle. Train in high volume. Check my latest journal entry on arms. That is volume.
W/O knowing you true BF% it can make it tough. If you are at 20%BF that means you have 42lbs of fat which will put you at 168 at 0%. if you get down to 10% you will be at 189 in a perfect world. Plus as you "cut" you body will not be able to build any new muscle, so at BEST you will keep all of it....Again in a perfect world. Most likely you will lose some muscle weight. When I did a show I went from 230 12%bf to 185 at 4.5% bf. I was shredded, but at 6'2" I was skinny. I lost almost 2 inches on my arms.
Just modify your diet, train hard. People that have never truelt "cut" have no idea what is in store. After a few weeks they can't handle the constant hunger of only eating 150g of carbs per day and give up, thus gain more fat. So cutting for 4 months take 4 months of growth away. My tip to all....if you want to "cut" modify your diet a bit whe the abs get soft looking or you no longer have a good separation between you lower pec and ribs.

Bulking and cutting is a complete waste of time....unless you want to bulk for 3-4 years and then slowly lean out....as my friend did. 5'8" 290 down to 248 in 8 months and lost almost all fat. He is still a monster, plus he dabbles a bit w/ chemicles.

Originally Posted by Big Guns

You could drop 200 cals per week til you get to 2500. which is about 8 weeks. I would only cut you carb cals. The when they get to around 150g cut a little bit of fat. Keep your protein cals where they are or as high as possible as time passes, and keep your fat around 60-80g/day until you need to cut some to keep your protein high and still come in at the lower cals. That will be the easiest as far as the hunger goes.
Cmas....whatcha think??

This will take some planning soo I suggest you write your 8 week plan down week by week. I will not do that for you....that costs $$$$$$$

Originally Posted by Big Guns

Am I missing something? I thought I explained it well. Cut your carbs( anything that is a carb) Carbs means carbs. You still need to grow. So do not go below 2500 cals.
Subtract 50 grams of carbs each week 'til you get to 150...then cut your fat until your calories equal 2500. Dude it's not that hard. Do not try to drop too much weight too fast.

Originally Posted by oval61251

Yes actually. I posted pics to see if you all think i should continue bulking or start cutting. You all know better then me. I got the impression that i was wasting my time cutting.