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Old 11-30-2007, 12:16 PM   /\/\ichael's workout journal - 2008 Post #1
 
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After my current program and a 2 week break right before 2008 I'm gonna start a new routine and hopefully gain A LOT of mass before 2009!

I'm not sure about my routine yet, but I hope Sentinel and some others could help me create a good program. I want to do a hybrid of powerlifting/bodybuilding, concentrated a bit more on the bodybuilding part. 8 rep range and RI's anywhere between 60 - 120 seconds would be great. I would like to something a bit different from my usual 3 day push/pull/legs split. Help is appreciated!
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:31 PM   /\/\ichael's workout journal - 2008 Post #2
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New journal - WOOT!!

Very best of luck Michael! I'll be following along for sure
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:37 PM   /\/\ichael's workout journal - 2008 Post #3
 
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Good luck with this dude.

I'll help you out if you still need it by the time I can look at some things for you (off to bed now)

Most probably Sent wil sort something good out for you!

I'm also looking at pretty much the same thing as you, still wanting to do my bodybuilding, but also some powerlifting/strength movements (and getting my 'big 3' up a level) in there..

I'm gonna be doing Max OT I think, seems just right from what i've seen. Not even sure if its something you could do yourself, but if you wanna know more, check out getfit74's journal - he's done it before and is currently doing it now.. he said his progress last time was very good, strength went up and size also.

Can speak about all this over the weekend tho.. i'm off to bed now mate!
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:38 PM   /\/\ichael's workout journal - 2008 Post #4
 
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I'm not done with 2007 yet, but my goal for 2008 is getting up to 80kg/176lbs by next december! I'm about 72.5kg/159lbs, just 1 pound away from my 2007 goal
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Thanks wala, I'm off to bed as well, so we'll talk later!
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Old 11-30-2007, 05:17 PM   /\/\ichael's workout journal - 2008 Post #6
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u want me to help u with a program in this thread?
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Old 11-30-2007, 06:13 PM   /\/\ichael's workout journal - 2008 Post #7
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Yeah like Wala said, I would highly recommend the Max-OT routine. I've done it in the past with some great gains. I will give you a bit of advice from my previous experience with it. First and foremost if doing this program you must train with 110% intensity, otherwise you'll just be wasting your time, because it's such low volume if you don't hit it strong and hard you will not get the benifits from it.

Also if your coming from a higher rep higher volume routine like I did the first time I tried it, you're probably going to hate it that first week. Most people low ball the weight they need to use that first week(reminder it's better to low ball the weight that first week than to go too heavy). The next week will be better as you'll have a better idea of the weight you need to be doing to stay within the 4-6 rep range, if you get more then 6 you going to light and if you can't get 4 your going too heavy, so adjust the weight accordingly. It usually takes most people about 2 weeks to get there weight right, then on that third week it's GO TIME!

Sorry for such a long post, and if you have any questions feel free to ask, also you can check my journal like Wala said I'm doing a modified Max-OT routine atm. Not sure if your familiar with Jeff Willet or Skip La Cour but there both pros and use the Max-OT principles. Also for more information you can check out the AST web-site at this link AST Sports Science - High-Performance Sports Nutrition Supplements just click on the Max-OT link at the top, they have everything layed out and explain it very well. Hope this was somewhat helpful for ya, and good luck with whatever routine you choose.
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:23 PM   /\/\ichael's workout journal - 2008 Post #8
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no, i wouldnt advise you to do a Max OT style routine. i like to do things which can be done for a very long span of time. u cant do max ot for years on end without making significant changes to it. instead, i would advise an upper-lower type split where u incorporate certain max ot principles for some specific stuff. that way u can make ur training flexible, progressive and fun. can it possibly get any better?
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Old 11-30-2007, 08:01 PM   /\/\ichael's workout journal - 2008 Post #9
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no, i wouldnt advise you to do a Max OT style routine. i like to do things which can be done for a very long span of time. u cant do max ot for years on end without making significant changes to it. instead, i would advise an upper-lower type split where u incorporate certain max ot principles for some specific stuff. that way u can make ur training flexible, progressive and fun. can it possibly get any better?
Actually you can do the Max-OT for extended periods they have a 6 month plan layed out on there web-site, I looked it over pretty solid plan. Jeff Willet uses the routine exculsively. Every 8 weeks you take a rest week. Every 4 weeks your routine totally changes, ie different exercises, and the days each mucsle is trained is changed around. "Muscle Confusion" is a big part of the Max-OT program. Things are always changing with the program, keeping your workouts fresh and motivating.

While I think it's a good routine I'm not a big fan of doing it for extended periods of time, but that goes for any routine. It's a good idea to swtich things around on a regular basis to keep your gains coming. I do think it's a good one to do once maybe twice a year.

It's also a good idea to do a high rep (10-15) routine for a month or two before the Max-OT routine to prevent injuries. The reason is that the higher rep ranges strengthens your ligaments and tendons, which in turn helps to prevent tendonitus when you start doing the heavier weight. Generally if you just jump into a heavy training routine your muscles will get stronger quicker than the ligaments/tendons, thus you'll be moving a weight your muscles can handle but it's overbearing on the ligaments/tendons leading to tendonitus. It's all about preparation.
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Old 11-30-2007, 08:34 PM   /\/\ichael's workout journal - 2008 Post #10
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I love this place. Everyone speaks with sanity...and gives good, conscientious advice. It's so refreshing.
I'm going to follow these workout journals because they're really interesting. You're starting your bodybuilding efforts really early in life...awesome! This is the best time to begin.
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getfit74, i am not insulting Max OT nor do i question your wisdom. but generally, most successful lifters - not the ones who are in the limelight (ronnie, jay, etc) but the other regular gym goers who use this as a hobby and strongmen and powerlifters usually stick to one type of "template" for very very long stretches of times - sometimes even spanning over 3-5 years. of course they switch things around, but not to "shock" their muscles or because "Muscle Confusion" is important. u change things around because from a realistic standpoint u want to either work on weak points and/or u want to make sure your body doesnt only adapt to one sort of exercise. for example, pendlay/js/parallel rows. u cant do these forever. why? not because progress is tough. it is, but if u want u can constantly progress on this. u will just have to periodize it. however, u cant do js rows forever because u need to allow ur back to have more variations. not for "muscle confusion" but so that ur body does not because dependent on only one single plane of movement.

allow me to summarize why exactly i would not recommend Max OT - as max ot is to Michael:

1.) to failure training on the big three. no powerlifter on this planet has used failure technique to get strong on the big 3. the only time a powerlifter or a strongman fails at a big lift (for strongmen its oh pressing, clean and presses, etc etc) is when they cant do another rep and usually that is in a competition. they dont like to train to failure in the off season. apart from training to failure, i think training to failure for smaller muscle groups - biceps, triceps, forearms, calves is a good idea. however, doing squats, bench presses, and deadlifts to failure is not that appealing to me and i doubt at his level of strength Michael needs to failure training on these lifts. maybe if his lifts totalled in at 1500+ it would seem reasonable. regarding going to failure on other exercises like dumbbell presses, lat pull downs, etc is fine. it just doesnt have to be the only thing (i will explain more on this later).

2.) changing of exercises too often (already discussed this).

so here, this is what i would recommend:

an upper-lower program focussing on the bench press, overhead press, deadlift and the squat.

with upper lowers u can have a GREAT deal of flexibility in your training. for example, u can start out with an upper workout like this (remember that i like to start out with a bare minimum and then i like to add volume as time progresses in order to increase strength levels and to increase workload capacity):

Bench Press = 5 sets x 5 reps x 200 lbs
Barbell Rows = 5 sets x 5 reps x 135 lbs
Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press = 3 sets x 8 reps x 50 lbs
Dumbbell Rows = 3 sets x 6 reps x 80 lbs

after 8-10 weeks ur training could look like this:

Bench Press = 4 sets x 6 reps x 225 lbs
Barbell Rows = 6 sets x 5 reps x 155 lbs
Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press = 3 sets x 12 reps x 60 lbs
Dumbbell Rows = 4 sets x 8 reps x 100 lbs

now, observe how much the sheer volume has increased by. ur work capacity is through the roof.

now, u can do more "bodybuilding" stuff like:

A1: Bench Press = 4 sets x 6 reps x 205 lbs
A2: Barbell Rows = 4 sets x 8 reps x 135 lbs
B1: Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press = 3 sets x 10 reps x 55 lbs
B2: Dumbbell Rows = 3 sets x 8 reps x 100 lbs

which after another 6-8 weeks could be:

A1: Bench Press = 5 sets x 5 reps x 235 lbs
A2: Barbell Rows = 5 sets x 5 reps x 155 lbs
B1: Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press = 4 sets x 12 reps x 60 lbs
B2: Dumbbell Rows = 4 sets x 12 reps x 120 lbs

so u can see how his training has gradually evolved. now, because its not too good to increase ur workout exponentially, he decides to cut down his volume for a few weeks: (few weeks = another 6-8 weeks):

Bench Press = 3 sets x 3 reps x 245 lbs
Barbell Rows = 4 sets x 6 reps x 175 lbs
Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press = 3 sets x 6 reps x 75 lbs
Dumbbell Rows = 3 sets x 5 reps x 145 lbs

so now he is using a much heavier load for a considerably lesser amount of sets and reps. and then he can use this to progress for a good 3-4 months till he is able to knock out something like what he could before with these big weights:

Bench Press = 5 sets x 5 reps x 255 lbs
Barbell Rows = 6 sets x 5 reps x 185 lbs
Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press = 3 sets x 12 reps x 85 lbs
Dumbbell Rows = 4 sets x 8 reps x 145 lbs

so now his workload, his strength and everything in between has increased. no doubt this will add size. so lets say he feels very strongly that i want to do something a little along the lines of going a bit to failure (DC Style though with rest-pause sets):

Bench Press = 5 sets x 5 reps x 255 lbs
Barbell Rows = 6 sets x 5 reps x 185 lbs
Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press = 16 + 10 + 8 reps x 90 lbs
Dumbbell Rows = 20 + 10 + 5 reps x 150 lbs

now he's ventured into the realm of basterdized DC Training lol....

however, i hope u are able to see what i mean...assuming he doesnt develop any weak points on the big 3 or 4 (i like to focus on oh pressing and deadlifts more than anything else), his training could keep evolving. so that means that for over 8 months he stuck to the same basic routine template. he didnt change his routine. he just added and removed a few things

i really hope my random numbers havent confused y'all...
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Old 11-30-2007, 09:25 PM   /\/\ichael's workout journal - 2008 Post #12
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Great stuff Sentinel, looks like a solid plan. On the Muscle Confusion, I think you misunderstood the point I was trying to make, it's just a generalized term I threw in there like you said you change things up for several reasons but the main thing is to keep things changing so your body doesn't adapt to the same ol thing day in and day out hence the muscle confusion or like you said to work on lagging body parts.

I've always been a advocate of periodization that's why i suggested a higher volume routine before the Max-OT routine for several reasons. Only thing I don't agree with is lifters staying on the same type "template" for years as you say. Those are the guys that have been working out for years and wonder why there not getting results. I've also found that the simpler you keep your workouts the better off you'll be. Everyone responds differently to different routines, but in the end it all boils down to keeping things mixed up and progressive overload to make gains. Other than that great advice man keep it up
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Looks great Sentinel, those 4 exercises are my favorites! But one question though. Is this a 2 day or a 4 day split? (And can you please also post the lower body workout or the second upper body workout?)

P.S. Thanks for the help guys, really appreciate it!
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I wish I had time to read through all of that to try and pick that apart and make sense of everything. Sorry Micheal I am trying to do makeup time posts right now. But, I dont think there is a simple one program for everyone. Thats why some people do well on max ot and some dont. Thats why some do well on westside and some dont. If its size your lookin for then I can work with ya to come up with something. Hell I wont even charge ya,
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